vkb vs virpil elite dangerous

Both the MCG (right hand only) grip and Kosmosima Premium (left or right) have plenty. I've spent the last couple of days researching all this so here is my thought process which may also help with your decision. For more information, please see our So, just to make sure I have this strait, MCG is the 'Modern Combat' Gunfighter stick and the Kosmosima is the 'Space Combat' edition of the gunfighter? VKB complicate unnecessary the things, because being a "Apple" require a . I've had Virpil for a while and have even refined my setup over time trying different grips/bases/throttles. The VKB base has some nice features the Virpil base doesn't have (dampers) and overall just rates a bit higher in terms of quality/performance. So vkb is not the first/only. Price isn't the issue as much as quality for me. Sorry to resurrect the thread, but I've have my MongoosT-50CM2 throttle for a couple of months and my Constellation Delta should be in this week. Maybe you should try moving some to other ports on your computer if you haven't tried that yet. Right now my mind is still on a throttle rather than 2 sticks and I'm looking at either the Virpil MongoosT or the VKB one that is allegedly coming in a couple of months. I also built a button box arrangement into my chair power controls (seat adjust, subwoofer, surround shoulder speakers, cooling) and find I almost never let go of the sticks to USE the button box. I have a Virpil setup. They have adopted the Thrustmaster Warthog connector and improved it while staying backwards compatible. Not sure where you're concerned about 'number of buttons' available with VKB though. Only set up a profile for each device with the other unplugged. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America), https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/request-for-more-than-32-buttons-virpil-throttle.443129/page-4. 12V/7.5A. VirPil make easy use Tm Warthog (or Cougar) grip in their bases, since use the same connection nut and grip electronics. In term of quality, feel and performance? Dunno how it is usable in space sims. Nice descriptions. Better still, the Constellations side-mounted thumbsticks mean that you can actually navigate on foot without ever taking your hands off the joysticks. A good USB powered hub should help with this. Still, you cant really go wrong with either choice. When it comes to calibration and programming, you will similarly need to find your own way with the community of users on YouTube and on message boards as Virpil offers next to no help in getting things squared away. I'd consider myself a fairly casual player that is fortunate enough to have enough expendable money for lavish purchases such as this. What 'limit' are you talking about? > Tutorials and everything HOTAS related. Been playing flight sims with a rig I purchased last year but ED was on my list of reasons why I spent money on a good input suite. My own conclusion was that VKB is around 10% cheaper and 99% as good as Virpil. ED doesn't 'see' any controllers using the bindings files, check whether you can actuallly bind any of the controls to an action and then create your own bindings file. All rights reserved, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS3OC6-CBv4. In this review, we'll take a closer look at Virpil's MongoosT-50CM2 throttle, comparing it with the popular Thrustmaster TWCS. They also have just the right amount of heft to them, and feel like a substantial upgrade to the kinds of flight sticks Ive been using for the last decade. Unless you know where they are on the sticks, it'll be very confusing. newsletter. Hey rick, yeah you will want to use Joy Gremlin or Universal Control Remapper alongside vjoy. Everything I've ever bought from VKB has been spot on out of the box. My experience with these sticks is in a HOSAS setup (With the MCG being part of my old HOTAS), so there may be some "synergy" for HOTAS binding considerations that might sway one way or another for the MCG vs Constellation. It has about twice as many buttons as Microsoft Windows recognizes on a game controller, which means youll need to take some extra time to get it tuned before you hop into a game. They needed a bolt tightening inside to get rid of the wobble. Generally you will find that Virpil is considered the top dog in the mid-range sim gear bracket. All rights reserved So I did that, but two things happened: one was checking in Windows, I saw THREE T-50 CM throttles, although ED now could see all the panel buttons and switches. That made the experience in Star Citizen, which features a surprising amount of walking, much more enjoyable. You might want to look for something with versatility since a lot of REALLY nice sticks try to fit specific requirements, like DCS OR ELITE rather than DCS AND ELITE. Hey everyone, i know this has been a few times but i cant find anything that the exact specs im looking at so im going to ask anyway. They've all been excellent, but I wouldn't choose a Delta for a primary grip in any game; it's ambidextrous which is cool I guess, but while it's good for either hand, it's not great for either hand. I received it in just over 4 weeks too, just a day before Christmas! If I want to upgrade in the future I can just buy the Gunfighter base and use the kosmosima stick (If VKB follow through and actually let you buy bases separately). Starting to wonder about the all-metal construction with that new ultimate grip, and maybe investing in a heavier duty base. I have a Virpil cm2 throttle and a vkb gladiator nxt. It may take time. Just wish they would have shipped with more replacement parts if they're so prone to breaking under regular usage. Yes I followrd their guide. So whats a budding flight or space sim enthusiast to do? The only other thing up in the same price and perhaps build quality (I don't truly know about them either other than what I've read here, they're trying at least) is Winwing but their stick option is much more limited in overall controls. You must log in or register to reply here. I have a VKB stick/pedals and a Virpil throttle, and I feel that VKB hardware is higher quality overall (mostly due to the electronics/internals). I've had 2 springs snap, which has pretty much taken my left stick out of commission (I've heard the NXTs actually ship with replacements -- mine didn't). - Virpil WARbrd vs VKB: WARbrd base has movement range of +/-22 degrees, where as the VKB bases have +/-15 degrees. What it really comes down to is whether you plan to use the twist. You are using an out of date browser. Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. The MCG Pro also has the brake axis and technically the flip-up trigger is ALSO an axis although more often used as a couple of different buttons. It functions great and feels great. I'd pass on the NXT if your budget allows for something with cams. Gladiator is out of stock in Europe, Virpil say there is a back order on their stuff. They release quickly, making storage a breeze. But now Im able to use the two sticks twist axes to handle strafing (right) and moving up and down (left). I do play in VR pretty often, so the numerous buttons at my fingertips on the Virpil stick apeals to me. For around $70 you can get the Virpil Desk Mount V3-S. , So, I am currently having a hard time choosing between the two flight sticks that seem to be most likely to fit my needs; those options being Virpil VPC Constellation on WarBRD base and VKB Gunfighter Mk3 'space combat edition.'. I know that the performance will be better but if you have done a similar upgrade let me know your thoughts. If that checks out, Elite should see all the analog axes and some of the buttons. Maybe I have too many devices plugged in. Right? Was looking at getting a new one but decided I might as well upgrade to either the VKB Gunfighter or Virpril T50 and would love some advice and opinions on both setups. I do find VKB to do much nicer and cleaner internal work which matters if or when you have to open up your grip. For using the Warthog grip, the easier to work with would be the Virpil base, as it uses the same pinout/connections. Virpil also may be a little easier to get your hands on sooner rather than later. With those limitations in mind, I still cant help but recommend Virpil. Looking at grips VKB and Virpil are more similar and it feels like preference is mostly related to hand size and just what each person prefers. My advice, of course, is to give the scalpers a wide berth. Swapping out the throttle for another stick meant that I had to constantly hold the left-hand stick forward to maintain forward thrust. Ive been taking it for a test drive on my custom-built flight rig. Currently have a CM2 grip/CM2 base with a T-50 v3 throttle and ACE-2 peddles for flight sims, as well as a Alpha-R primary with an Alpha-L/WarBRD for offhand in space. All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. Those look awfully nice. I managed to get hold of a Virpil constellation alpha (R) and a CM2 throttle, it was an emotional 2 month process. The Gunfighter is apparently available so even though I probably don't need it, common sense might desert me and I'll plump for the pricier option just because I cant wait. The only things I don't have as mapped out as I'd ideally like for VR are camera and perhaps fighter pilot commands. I've taught myself how to use Virpil software, but the VKB software looks much more complex and the documentation seems lacking (translated) with many features only described in forum posts. Where as the constellation/kosmosima grips where designed with twisting in mind. JavaScript is disabled. It works perfectly with all buttons. I use one from Wavlink and have 7 devices plugged into it with no problems, including a Virpil joystick, a VKB joystick and a Virpil throttle. It took me 6 months before I could get my order in for the Alpha. I have an idea from my previous setup, but never really got round to completing it for Exploring and even negotiation of the galaxy map, I need to sort this finally as Im using an old DK2 VR and must stop the temptation to use my keyboard, or mouse. Oh, and to actually answer your question: both the virpil constellation and vkb kosmosima are fantastic. Ive had a pretty good experience with the Thrustmaster TPR Pendular Rudder Pedals for the last few years, but they hang from a large central column that takes up a lot of space in my office. The impact was especially prominent in Star Citizen, which has much faster ships and far more aggressive combat. I have both and for me the VKB just wins out. Youll find examples from both brands where people got shipped a dud product or had a bad experience with customer service, but on the whole theyre both producing excellent hardware and its gonna come down to personal preference for the most part. I have a good comparison of VKB and Virpil looking at the Modern Combat Grip (Their other premium grip, recently being re-released in an all-metal build) and the Constellation-Alpha, and they perform nearly identical in my opinion.. My personal experience with VKB's Kosmosima grip (the grip that comes in their MK3 space combat edition package) is very negative. But, if youre looking to spend a relatively modest amount of money on a more general purpose device something that might work with terrestrial and space flight I recommend you take a look at Virpil Controls, a small European company that is doing some really remarkable work. First post here. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Maybe you should check out youtube and see the posts about how to do the setup. 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Second, know that the current incarnation of the Virpil throttle box may simply be too much for most users. After correspondence with Virpil I have to load and create a profile for each device individually, one at a time. All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. Using a Virpil HOTAS in Elite Dangerous Ken Cikas 1.25K subscribers Subscribe 61 Share 7.4K views 2 years ago Finally got around to editing this down. I dont care about cost or desk mounting height or which is the better company or customer service . in Elite I set one hat to move pips to weaps / sys / eng, 4th position being the 'reset', but I can also long press in the 'weap' direction to activate a macro that 'resets' and quickly bumps to my preferred overall 'fighting' weap-sys distribution, or same thing in the 'engine' direction quickly gets me to run-away distribution. Anyone use Vjoy or similar to get past ED's 32 button limit? The V3-S also opens the door to additional customization options, including mounts that hang a keyboard, mouse pad, additional button boxes, and more all off of the same clamp. I found a couple of programs like this but some of them are no longer . Please note you will lose the axis on the brake lever that comes with the Virpil grip, as the Warthog grip only supports button press on that lever. No rush though, as we all know its not a quick in out game. Its also mostly plastic, but in a good way. Thank you guys for the help. Lastly if you have any thoughts please let me know as i know for some spending this kind of money is easy but for its hard for me as now that i have a young family money isnt just failing out of my wallet and i want to make the right purchase as i can barely afford to do it once. Also, I'm not dead set on those two options by any means. Vs the VKB Gunfighter MK3 with the modern combat edition grip and 200mm s curve extension for 433.13 euro ($707.21 aud) (includes shipping). We use cookies and other tracking technologies to improve your browsing experience on our site, show personalized content and targeted ads, analyze site traffic, and understand where our audiences come from. Thank you for all the suggestions. Please enter a valid email and try again. For space sims, I think Virpil has it over VKB hands down when looking at the Kosmosima vs Constellation Alpha. I have zero complaints about it. Did you a manage to get your bindings for Elite dangerous ? The non-marking pads on the mounting hardware, for instance, began to slide off after several weeks of continuous use. The configuration software is very detailed but complicated. What I've put together is a bit of how I use. Bring from the UK, shipping was not too bad with about a week to wait after dispatch. Everything about it is perfect. Looking at grips VKB and Virpil are more similar and it feels like preference is mostly related to hand size and just what each person prefers. Can't speak for Virpil as I've got VKB, so disclosure, obviously this is possibly biased opinion. The full analog mini on both (plus the option of the second which is switchable from digital hat to analog on the fly on the MCG Pro) offers additional axes besides the main X/Y. VKB vs Thrustmaster T16000M Ken Cikas 1.4K subscribers Subscribe 20K views 3 years ago Put about 170 hours into Elite Dangerous and this T16000M from Thrustmaster is about done so I. For around $70 you can get the Virpil Desk Mount V3-S. Common sense tells me that the Gladiator NXT is the sensible option. The right-hand stick still has complete control of pitch and yaw, while rudder pedals handle roll. I definitely have more than 38 inputs on my x55. Will cost me less money since I can just plug in my Warthog without having to buy that $50 adapter from VKB. The thing that really sold me on it is that the hat switches and mini sticks on the the top are completely modular, so you can literally just drop whichever one you like to suit your purposes without having to take apart the stick. There are some there. > Pictures Initially it was all a bit daunting but after a fair bit of reading various threads this is where I'm at A bit about my requirements - Got to be desktop based. * Gunfighter Mk.III is to be released, "soon". > Reviews Both multiple cam and spring force options. By There really is plenty. As I said before I dont think you can go wrong either way though. Im looking at either going the virpil mongoos T-50 CM2 base with the mongoos T-50 CM2 grip or constellation alpha grip with the 200mm S curve extension for 554.81 euro (905.89 aud) (includes shipping). > Q&A Both are great sticks, I have both of them and use extensions with them - however I have not tried using the Warthog grip as I am happy with their grips. I can't speak for Virpil's interiors but I've been inside the grip on my VKB and the way they use independent little boards with pin receptacles to link things together on the Kosmo Premium is amazing, and would be very easy to obtain parts for repair if only one control were to fail for any reason. September 8, 2019 in Hardware, Software and Controllers. So far Im extremely impressed. Something went wrong. I found a couple of programs like this but some of them are no longer operational or are too limited to map more than 32 buttons themselves. Complete your WWII Flight Sim setup with this GNX Combo Throttle Money isn't really an issue for me. WarBRD with more throw has some difficulties for center this heavy grip. A weekly roundup of the best things from Polygon, By submitting your email, you agree to our, Theres a new challenger in the world of flight sticks and throttles, Sign up for the TECS (Twin Engine Control System) is a completely new throttle control device made for today's and future jet warbirds. Your right, MFG's have been on the market longer than the Virpil Ace's, but I couldn't identify a lot of difference, except maybe some of the adjustments you can make on the MFG's that you can't make on the Virpil pedals. Explaining the difference is difficult to do with words. I'm not an expert by any stretch, I only intend to use this for Elite Dangerous. I've gone back to a single, non-split profile, still nada on any of the three axes . (The Alpha-R is on backorder along with the MongoosT-50CM2 grip as well). If youre going HOTAS, Id recommend getting something from Thrustmaster instead. I'd love to mount to desk but I don't have the space for a permanent setup and need to be able to move my controllers out of the way easily. In all honesty, I am leaning toward the virpil stick, but what I want to know is are their hidden pros or cons to each stick that I should know about and is the additional ~$80US for Virpil (and the wait) worth it over the VKB? VIRPIL hardware key mapping setups (PDF) for you to fill out, https://virpil.freshdesk.com/en/supes/47000029808-vpc-software-quick-start-guide, HOTAS Warthog Flight Stick - Thrustmaster - Technical support website, https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/controls-not-sticking.558432/#post-8792964. Got a Virpil throttle but I can only program about half the hats, axis', and buttons because of ED limiting us to 32 "buttons" per device. Between the WarBRD and Gunfighter options it really seems to come down to personal preference and I'll never know without putting my hands on each. and our I would not have thought there were no set binds for those devices, and its up to your personal preference to programme in. Privacy Policy. Edit: Didn't realize that winwing sticks were metal. The VKB software also allows an enormous amount of customization like a shift key action to double up on everything or (what I find sufficient) a 'tempo' function so a quick tap vs. a longer press has 2 different operations for buttons or certain hat positions. That brings the price for a full HOTAS mounting solution closer to $180. But, by pulling back on that stick I had easy access to reverse thrust, which makes slowing down and changing directions in space a lot snappier. I love both sets but have settled on an MCG Gunfighter with T-rudders and the Virpil throttle. See our ethics statement. 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