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James points out that God seems to choose not to use all his abilities -- he could heal amputees, even while someone is in an MRI, but chooses note to. Indianapolis, Indiana. Craig Keener, Michael Shermer & Elijah Stephens and a video with Sean McDowell interviewing Craig Keener called Latest Evidence for Modern Miracles. Brian: Essentially Shermer's complaint about prayer being done and nothing happening is part what you would have in any kind of controlled study because you would have the case looking at all prayer events and which ones had effects and which ones didn't, that's the basic thing they seem unable to even grasp that idea and it shows a certain unwillingness to actually try to find the truth and to rule out these actual alternatives. Her blindness, too, had been instantaneously healed. Contains the quotes I read aloud about Barbara Snyder (healed from M.S.) Sean McDowell, Timothy Pickavance, Scott RaeFebruary 27, 2023, Sean McDowell, Scott RaeFebruary 16, 2023, Sean McDowell, Scott RaeFebruary 09, 2023. Previously, she has served as chair of the board of directors of the American Council on Education, chair of the board of directors at the Business-Higher Education Forum, vice chair of the board of trustees of Internet2, a member of the board of directors of the Greater Cleveland Partnership, a member of the board of directors of Jobs Ohio, a trustee ofUniversity Circle Inc., and a member of the Ohio Business Roundtable. As James says, "God really needs to up his game.". And I talked with two of her doctors from the time and they both testified, "Yes, this is, there's no medical explanation for this." I mean there was one person, it was so crazy. So we interviewed Antoinette Malumbay. Visit Pure Flix for access to thousands of faith and family friendly movies and TV shows. [4], Following the announcement that Gordon Gee would retire as President of the Ohio State University effective July 1, 2013, speculation arose that Snyder, the former Provost and Executive Vice President of Ohio State, could succeed Gee. Subjects reported impaired vision or hearing at the beginning of the study and were tested with standard vision or audiology tests before and after treatment. If you enjoyed our conversation today, give us a rating on your podcast app. We know God worked many and mighty miracles throughout biblical times, but for many Christians, we dont see as much evidence for miracles in our lives as there was in biblical times. On GMRI's website there is the following request: "Were always looking for new testimonies. I went over her solutions when she did , Skepticism and Dubious Medical Procedures. (Read also:Columbine survivors powerful lessons after facing terror). I made a number of these errors in the episode, and I think it is because 1) the scientific papers (rightly) don't use names and 2) when the stories are told they don't cite their sources well and 3) I'm terrible with names. Scott Rae: That's staggering to think about. He encountered scores of healings and other claims of the miraculous along the way, but there was one case in particular that truly blew his mind: the case of Barbara Snyder. I don't think that there's an abridged version of that coming out anytime soon. Yeah. But it's the same situation you have in the Gospels. Studies of distant intercessory prayer have been essentially negative we see the typical random scatter of results expected of an ineffective treatment, with no consistent pattern of positive results, and with the best studies being negative. Her feet and fingers were suddenly straight and normal again. Facebook gives people the power. After his conversion, Lee worked briefly as a pastor before moving into an apologetics ministry focusing on writing and video productions. To mix them makes it much harder to determine what's going on. It makes it very hard to investigate these claims because you have to spend so much time trying to work out what is actually established. Moreland: we asked god to give us a really good pool table just like the kind that you find in a pool hall, that isn't a cheap one that if you hit it up it shakes. I commented on the story here but there is very little to go on. We don't do this for any medical claims. I think no, because theism is vaguely defined. None of us would say that all of those are authentic, but still we're talking about an awful lot of stories. Despite several operations and treatments, Barbara continued to deteriorate to the point that she was put into respite with doctor's orders not to resuscitate. This is special pleading -- wanting to hold their claims to a lower standard than other claims. An immediate thought is how many times was he prayed over and nothing happened? And so on. I don't understand how it's possible for both those things to be true. There were plenty of other stories just like it, too. As she listened, she said that she heard a male voice coming from the corner of the room a voice she now believes was God. As I've said before, the fact that there are no videos of this sort is strong evidence against the veracity of miracles. Is it possible to start by eliminating the theistic hypothesis? But after a while it just becomes so overwhelming, but I said, "You know, I'm too skeptical myself. Bizarrely, her calves were inflated and her once-atrophied muscles worked again and thats not all. How would you eliminate the hypothesis that a miracle did in fact happen? Justin: why do you feel sympathetic to the view that what they're finding is evidence for supernatural healing rather than just extraordinary somewhat unexplained events ? Couldn't the medical records have been earlier?) Prayer, in her house, probably occurs even more frequently. Prior to that, she served as president of Case Western Reserve University from 2007 to 2020, where sheencouraged interdisciplinary excellence, catalyzed institutional collaboration, and reinvigorated alumni engagement and fundraising. And Coco [inaudible] prayed and Terese started breathing again and the next day she was fine. Yeah ,that's what Ii just asked you about! In principle I believed it, but I was questioning witnesses with kind of a skeptical approach to try to whittle away anything that wasn't necessarily accurate. ), but with the best they ever give us (like the cases above), the second you dig a little bit you find that all the evidence kind of vaporizes or there are plausible alternative explanations that take only a minute to come up with. In addition to Case Western Reserve, all But I heard this one from somebody who worked with Craig Evans, followed up with Barbara Snyder and her doctors and passed this onto Lee Strobel, who followed up on this too. We know better now, and we often know what the minimum amount of data is to justify a particular claim. This one is obviously ludicrous, but I think undermines the theists claims quite a lot. Each of these is far harder than the rather trivial challenges to testing miracle claims. And even after CPR is stopped, there is an observed phenomenon of spontaneous recovery of heart activity after as much as 15 minutes, and his recovered after 10 minutes. Do you have a testimony that is medically verified?. Visit Pure Flix for access to thousands of faith and family friendly movies and TV shows. The way people like the stories highlights their way of thinking and provides a teachable moment about like why don't we trust claims just from the claims, even if it has a peer-reviewed journal article. When I've heard the murderer analogy it is to argue against Hume's uniform human experience against miracles, because someone could argue for the murderer by claiming it is against his uniform experience to murder someone -- he's never murdered anyone before. The conventional wisdom that we hear kind of over and over again is that the prevalence of miraculous activity, is much more the developing world than it is in the west. The current results are suggestive, but are not conclusive. One of the remarkable stories recounted in Lee Strobel's book "The Case for Miracles" involves a hopelessly ill woman named Barbara Snyder, who had suffered for many years with multiple sclerosis. And we give Glory to God whenever we get the opportunity to be a part of those, but it's, we don't expect that, that the Kingdom, that we'll have experienced the Kingdom in its fullest now. Barbara Snyder was diagnosed at the Mayo Clinic with multiple sclerosis. And sometimes there's also a catch-22 because after so many years the medical documentation has been discarded. It is also correct to say that it depends on the prior probability of the claim, but it also depends on other desiderata of Jaynes, especially the ones dealing with consistency. She talked about when here daughter Terese was two years old that she cried out that she had been bitten by a snake and by the time her mother had got to her she found her not breathing. We don't get to choose what our test is. claims with no available data, so one can't investigate, so one shouldn't believe it, claims with available data, where one can investigate, and it's shown that the evidence doesn't support the claim, so one shouldn't believe it, establish base-rates for the natural recoveries, evaluate alternative explanations -- and their prior probabilities, include both the positive and negative outcomes of the treatment, have good controls and experimental design to remove confounders. She graduated from the University of Chicago School of Law, where she served as executive editor of the law review. Can we come to any agreement here? Her blindness, too, had been instantaneously healed. It's still healing. Craig Keener: Yeah. But theists show no interest in doing this, they're satisfied with the first bad study that confirms what they already believe. A legal scholar, Snyder was the first woman to serve as the Case Western's president. Craig Keener: Yeah, and by the time Yeah and eventually it was over a 1000. In his most recent book, Strobel decided to look at miracles. She was healed just suddenly. The timeline of the events from the paper is. In particular, it includes an interview with Barbara Snyder, who was instantaneously healed from advanced multiple sclerosis, as also attested by her two physicians. Nathan's point here is interesting, especially in light of the idea that the murderer example is not being used in the right place, that Elijah has this set of standard "tools" that he pulls out but doesn't seem to understand their use or limitations and is prone to misapply them. 1) A young soldier loses a limb in a battle and the limb is destroyed. successor. DiSanto said that he would provide additional updates regarding the search Medine was a war refugee for 18 months in her country of Congo. I had been an Atheist before my conversion. Now that also put me through some struggles because we were already close friends at that point. We see this with homeopathy, where well-controlled studies are negative and then dismissed because treatments were not individualized. The latter has more eyewitness testimony than we have for Barbara Snyder. This was in 1981 that this happened. And of course, accounts from the west, it was easier to get the medical documentation so there were strengths with a lot of these. Thu 03 February 2022 I mean these were mainstream Evangelical Christians and anyway, some of the critiques, and actually some of the praises from the Christians showed that they hadn't actually read the book either. 13800 Biola Ave, La Mirada CA 90639 BiolaUniversity, Inc. All Rights Reserved. #religion. And the person came back after prayer and a number of other cases. It was from a different Congo so the person who did that doesn't know their geography. My initial thought was that , A physics problem from a practice AP test came to my attention, when my daughter was in AP physics this past spring. perhaps this was the case here either with a longer resolving time (N=11 is not that large)? So miracles aren't meant to be [inaudible] for the world's problems. This is incredibly compelling stuff. And then I said "In Jesus's name, Amen" and so we moved on. None of these steps are taken in any of these cases. So for example, if I just say oh well there was spontaneous remission you could say that's implausible given our medical knowledge but it's going to be very hard to establish that that's actually like impossible, to definitively rule it out and so the question of which is a more plausible explanation and not can you rule it out. She is the former president of Case Western Reserve University. A question also came out that if the scientific standard seems too high for these theists, in which discipline would the standard not be too high? I hear the theist complaining about how hard it is to test miracles and I find the objection lame. And we'll have a way that you can access that in the transcript of this. Craig Keener: Thanks. Nathan: I think what we're seeing here are the fruits of apologetics in some ways. She's had no recurrence. It's not the consummation. That fact alone is strong evidence that miracles are not real. I doubt Keener has tried to actually get this done beyond the anecdotal level. In his book, The Case for Miracles, evangelist Lee Strobel cites the miraculous healing of Barbara Snyder that took place nearly 30 years ago. Since this is touted as one of the best, and one of only three papers ever seemingly cited when skeptics ask for evidence of miracles, is not impressive to say the least. Synder ended up in hospice care with a no-resuscitation order; she was nearly blind, her hands and body were curled and she had a tube in her throat to help her breath as well as a tube in her stomach to ensure proper nourishment. Here I look into the papers he references in response. We have to have miracles. Feel free to reach out if you want more specifics on a given quote or study. In But all of us are called to overcome. Craig Keener: Yeah. Partly, because we are human and have many biases. Scott Rae: So how did, how did she become a war refugee? And of course there's no way to test medically because there was no medic op available. But my wife and I have also been through a series of miscarriages. If you are willing to believe the Barbard Snynder case, then you should be willing to believe this woman was healed of Parkinson's with "Energy Healing" or you should believe in the Golden Plates of Joseph Smith (making you a Mormon). But God often heals us here and yet when he does it we don't always recognize that it is God because of our world view here. She actually had to have a breathing tube because even her diaphragm didn't work on its own. The entire approach of those arguing for miracles focuses on the (presumed) successes but in any real study for a treatment, we need to know all of the cases -- the ones that worked and the ones that didn't -- to provide evidence of efficacy. The emotional language in the paper is a little unusual for a medical journal, and seems a bit sensationalist. He was 2200 in one eye and 2400 in the other and had already been through training for the blind. Because God told him the coming one was going to baptize in fire. We don't know the timeline at all or the specifics, or any actual measurements. Certainly months in the case of severe atrophy over the course of years. James rightly points out that the most these people ever seem to provide is: The timeline definitely matters, especially if you're claiming a causal relationship. So her initial eyesight is 7/200, quite poor. I cook breakfast sandwich and lunch sandwichs I'm also a cashier. James: can we just make it a thing to always mention that like although it's not that popular these days that deism or non-interventionist form of theism are a thing like you can totally believe in god and still not be okay with miracles? Nathan: it's like he understands broadly what he should be doing but then that stands in place of him actually doing it it's like as if just finally having a bit of a grasp of how we should reason about the these things.suppose we agree with you now well why is that the best explanation? (Read also:Are the Biblical End Times upon us? To this day.. He is the author of 24 books and there's a couple of books that I want to talk to you about today, Craig. But there are a number of cases like that. This is pretty silly. The Mayo Clinic had diagnosed Barbara with multiple sclerosis. Could you imagine a similar claim written about, say, a homeopathic remedy for cancer? By signing up to the Blaze News newsletter you agree to receive electronic communications from Blaze Media that may sometimes include advertisements or sponsored content. It was predicted that she would die soon. That's for when the Lord returns. Also there is this general trend of naturalism in which you are looked down upon if you believe that the supernatural can occur so there is this whole culture at play where the medical community is working against finding truth". If you make such a claim, and that higher-than-average standard is not met, then you cannot be confident in that claim. But in this case, he had to have the medical documentation be he'd been on disability. It would seem that these people are constantly dealing with skeptics, and the easiest way to address it would be to get the pre- and post- medical test data rather than a summary by one doctor, after the fact. The latter has more eyewitness testimony than we have for Barbara Snyder. Barbara Snyder arrived at a Strobel, 66, is a former investigative journalist with the Chicago Tribune. They're not replicable but if there's a pattern like nine times out of ten where this happens it's in the context of prayer, that should say something. That is directly below. The Surfaris were a California garage band with an average age of 15 who had been successful enough playing at sock hops and house parties that they were able to acquire a manager. And Jesus answers him with words from Isaiah 35 and Isaiah 61 saying, "The disabled will walk. Barbara began her academic career as an assistant professor at Case Western Reserves School of Law, then joined the faculty of Moritz College of Law at The Ohio State University. life, President Snyder said. unblinded) studies were better. Scott Rae: Wow, I guess it did. So where there's cutting edge Evangelism, God does more dramatic things. When I lay out the evidence for the (alleged) miraculous phenomena in the latter half of the episode, I blitz through various case studies, scientific studies, and quotes which I said I would post references too here. I want our listeners to be totally aware, Craig Keener, just the two volume entitled Miracles. You don't mix, say, corrected and uncorrected measurements in a timeline unless you provide both at every time point you have. Craig Keener: In Matthew 11 and Luke Chapter 7, John the Baptist sends to Jesus because he hears the works of Jesus, he hears of these healings taking place and he says, "Are you the one the come or shall we wait for somebody else?" Scott Rae: Tell me first, one of the books I'd like to talk about first is the book Impossible Love. One day in late 1962, the drummer announced that he had an idea for song that had come to him in dream the night before. Now obviously those numbers, none of us would say that all of those can only be explained as a miracle. So how much evidence really is enough? 2) A child dies from after a doctor concluded that this would be the outcome of the disease. You can get a free, one-month trialhere. Following her M.S. Synder's miraculous healing, which unfolded more than 30 years ago, was apparently so shocking that even her doctors have written about her seemingly impossible medical turnaround. Craig Keener: It's my privilege. Scott Rae: And then she made it safely to the U.S. and then you were reunited again. The situation was pretty hopeless until something quite shocking happened. "[5], In 2011, Cleveland.com reported Barbara R. Snyder's total compensation for the year of 2009 was $778,874.[6]. It really doesnt matter what the treatment is or how plausible it is you simply cannot draw any meaningful conclusion from 24 self-selected subjects with no controls and no blinding. This male voice coming from the corner of the room where nobody was said, 'Get up my child and walk, Strobel recounted. credentials as both a highly regarded research institution and as a place where It's all just ad hoc special pleading. We should celebrate that. To learn about us and today's guest, Dr. Craig Keener and to find more episodes, go to biola.edu/thinkbiblically. She never quotes her doctors about her condition, and provides no documentation whatsoever -- there is simply nothing to work with. I mean I tried to get accounts from all sorts of different cultures. The fact that there are only two or three of these, that these are the best they have, given all of this time is damning evidence against their case that miracles actually occur at even the 1% level. This is a direct claim, that these miracles occur much more frequently in some groups (e.g. He is the F.M. Hey, thanks for listening. The good news will be preached to the poor. We originally met when we were, she was an exchange student and I was doing my PhD in New Testament at Duke. It is pretty clear that not much can be said confidently. People casually talk about God helping to find their car keys or help their sportsing team win, which are not miraculous but imply the intervention of the agent and thus fall under the same umbrella. Thus we will more often hear from the healing crowd. As an Atheist, of course it didn't. We are interested in the truth and are aware of many other factors (e.g. That is their foretaste of God's future promise to us when there's going to be no more sorrow, there's gonna be no more pain. Eventually I found some of it, but what surprised me was the dramatic nature of some of this. Craig Keener: Yeah, and part of it was inherited through my academic training. They also make the claim that, for example, in Heidi Baker's ministry in Mozambique these healing happen "all the time" and are thus replicable. Well first of all, the stories weren't all by any means from Congo, but my wife is from Congo. It also calls into question the motives of God -- God is more concerned to give you a pool table than to cure leukemia in children or heart defects or nearly anything else. That's such a good way to frame that. She said she'd been curled up like a pretzel. It would seem that these people are constantly dealing with skeptics, and the easiest way to address it would be to get the pre- and post- medical test data rather than a summary by one doctor, after the fact. A noted Christian scholar and ethicist, Scott is the author of such books as Moral Choices: An Introduction to Ethics; Business for the Common Good; and Beyond Integrity: A Judeo-Christian Approach to Business Ethics. Patients in the prayer group had less congestive heart failure, fewer cardiac arrests, fewer episodes of pneumonia, were less often intubated and ventilated, and needed less diuretic and antibiotic therapy. Now, Strobel, whose personal story was told through the Pure Flix feature film, book and documentary titled The Case for Christ, has released, The Case for Miracles, a new investigative book that relies on facts, interviews and studies to further explore spiritual matters. "So, we know that at least 450 Christians began praying for her, because they wrote letters saying, 'We're praying for you.'". And he said he prays for people here in the U.S., but it doesn't happen. i think michael's right about obviously so many things are coincidence so we have to weigh a lot of factors to see um you know is there a theistic context to it that that tends to predominate in in the cases where we have these and so on you need a lot of cases to be able to to test that but uh the issue that he raises about replicability is is a real issue in the sense that you know when when we speak of of god creating everything and we speak of you know as christians speak of god's handiwork being all around us you know that's that's those are things that can be tested for replicability but we may disagree on the explanation you know levels of causation but miracles as one-offs so to speak they're not replicable and so they're not really testable by replicable means you can't um you know ensure that you're going to have one the next time around at the same time there's all sorts of things we have to deal with that aren't replicable certainly in historiography i have to deal with that so we want to know how somebody died we can't kill them again to to to ensure that and that's why i brought up how in different different disciplines we have to use the epistemic approach that's suitable for that discipline and so for miracles i think a case study approach is much better. So even when, you know it doesn't happen to all of us. We have previously pointed out that the kind of coincidences you'd dismiss as bad writing if you saw them in a movie happen all the time in real life. Barbara (Burns) Snyder, age 92, of Elmira, NY, passed away Friday, November 18, 2022 at her home. A lot of these things were published in Asia. The response is, essentially, that I am demanding too much evidence. Earlier in her career, she served as provost of Ohio State University . This doesn't affect the doctor reports, but the personal reports. Adding to that, he had some skepticism about some of the charlatans who have been exposed for making false claims about healings and the like. In some of these cases, I'm expecting evidence that should be there if the claim is true. Well she couldn't walk. What problems are you interested in? Some initial thoughts Time stamp 4:47 James is right that the evidence on a lot of these cases is really really bad. So that, I mean that would almost qual, I mean three hours. Craig thanks so much for being with us. You're an expert on the life and teachings of Paul. If there's that many cases there should be enough regularity to detect these things statistically which is exactly the tools we've developed in science to do and to rule out other factors. Intercessory prayer commences and one day he awakes to find his or her arm back on their body, intact. On this episode, she lays out the case for investing more in academic research, and what we may lose if we don't. Subscribe to Big Brains on Apple Podcasts , Stitcher and Spotify. He seems really swayed by anecdotal evidence in everything he's written or said, from my experience. Each of the cases we've looked at have failed several or all of these properties of good investigation, and should not be believed. It was really the miracle of the resurrection and the historical evidence for that that ended up bringing me to faith many years ago, Strobel told Pure Flix Insider and The Billy Hallowell Podcast. But my skepticism didn't go away.. I want this post to be the place where I put as many of the specific miracle claims, the actual evidence presented, and some of the responses. I could just as well say that her brushing her teeth caused the healing, because she was healed in the evening shortly after she brushed her teeth. Secondly we're talking about these things objectively, put yourself in situations where you can have experiential knowledge: pray for sick people that you know they would not be healed unless God showed up. Barbara Snyder (Barbara Cummiskey Snyder) - healed from multiple sclerosis The institution that is referenced for the work is Global Medical Research Institute (GMRI) and the documentary about miracles referenced is Send Proof. It's a story of how you met your wife, Medina, and I'm taking I pronounced that correctly. The fact that someone can come up with a simple idea like that, and none of the studies include these sorts of considerations, show that the theists aren't even trying to test their ideas. Look, I have male pattern balding. Read Barbara's Blog for blog posts and speeches from the Presidenton prominent and emerging issues facing research universities and the broader higher education community. It's been shown that there is a high survival rate for patients with their heart rhythm responds to shocks. For example, if you take the population of people who go to Rome on pilgrimage each year, you can calculate the fraction of those with diseases that will go into remission. I think we could say your relationship with Medine and how you guys, the two of you made it together, counts as one of those major miracles in your life. If there's one thing I hope this film does for people that are inside of the Christian faith is that it makes them confident enough to go pray for sick people in impossible situations because that is a means to knowledge as well. ), This was an instantaneous healing of all of her symptoms and all of her illness to the point where 31 years later she's completely healthy, Strobel said. AfghanistanWhere Faith Is a Matter of Life and Death. It's not enough to be given the treatment and see an improvement afterward. I want to refer our listeners to your two volume series on miracles. It will be life-changing for those individuals, for sure, even under the condition where there are no miracles. What is being missed here is it shouldn't matter what the skeptic says -- the evidence should be strong enough to convince the skeptic. Further, the authors admit, although they do not disclose the data, that previous attempts to document response to the treatment in other populations have failed. 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